Irish in the Eurovision: She ain’t what she used to be?

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  • http://www.twitter.com/cherienoire Tamara Chetcuti

    The Eurovision has become just a big fat joke. And what's worse is that countries like Malta [where I'm from] are obsessed with it when deep down they know they can't win it due to bloc-voting. I do enjoy the kitschy moments though and some songs have stood the test of time. It's sad because the Maltese team that goes up every year is so professional and takes it so seriously just to get their little hearts crushed.

    The way I see it is you can't really take this stuff seriously. Although, Germany's win made Italy serious enough to join this year with a song by a young lady quite who may be trying to copy the success of last year's winner.

  • Katharine

    John and Edward sing live. They did 34 shows for that pantomine, two shows a day singing live. I've been to nearly a dozen full length concerts now, they sing 22-26 songs a night and they know all the words! When they are performing they are In the Zone! Edward tore two ligaments in his knee and finished the performance for goodness sake! He was back performing on crutches/hopping on one leg 5 days later. Back at work performing 4 days after his surgery!

    Hilariously the "make Jedward fan videos and spam the life out of everything" tweet was the twins! They're serious, they wanna win!

    But I'm one of those irrational Jedward fans who believes in them, not the hype surrounding them by the way, them. Interesting Linda Martin also seems to be one of us. Perhaps you think her views on Eurovision are a bit dated or she's swept up in the Jedward hype also. Or maybe having worked with them and heard them sing in 34 shows of Cinderella (and maybe she has even heard their song) believes in them too because they can do it!

    • http://www.davidokeeffe.com/ Dave

      Thanks for your comment Katharine- it’s nice to move the debate from comments on the Facebook Eurovision (Ireland) page. You’ve certainly shown your passion for the brothers, and kudos to that. If anyone holds a strong love for an act, it’s a good thing: it means you’re interested.

      I’ve been to shows of theirs: I know what their performances are like. I know the effort that goes into the show; I know the work that goes into it. And, in a general sense, I’m very much aware of the dedication required, the sheer drive and energy that is needed and what live performance requries- any hard working artist will know that, as will anyone who has worked with the like.

      I’m also aware of Edward’s injury- that was at the “T4 on the Beach” show in Brighton, I think, last year. He tore ligaments, if I’m correct- as he came down wrong during a routine. I’m sure that the pair do want to win, but so do the other acts- and as I mentioned in my article. Spamming is well and good, but it takes votes to win, and the backing of experts in the industry. I need not worry that the Grimes might not get sufficient “televotes” on The Late Late show- they’ve an army of fans, like yourself who’ll call in. No doubt the same will happen, in a smaller capacity, for those backing other candidates.

      Let’s quote yourself for a moment: “I think it’s probably safe to assume that the juries will be made up of people like yourself, mostly Jedward hostile before they’ve even sung anything.” – this is what you directed to me. I disagree with that- I’ve always said from the start that I wasn’t a *fan* of Jedward, but I did compliment them on their enthusiasm and their energy. Sure, as said, I’ve seen them before. And I’ve complimented them before. I’m hostile towards those who make irrational comments about them- not necessarily the duo. I am all for a debate and a pleasant chit-chat on the topic, as I am with any topic, however I do not respect fans or those who get personal or attack those making balance arguments, who make nonsensical comments about them or any other artist, for or against. That’s perfectly understandable.

      I will also disagree with you on the statement that I’ve “dated” views on the Eurovision, on the contrary. I’m very much for the CHANGE in the Eurovision, in the way we select acts and in the style in which are songs and performers are. I feel times have changed and we can’t keep clinging to the ways we used to be. Great, we’ve “won 7 times” but that was a long time ago. If you read my other thoughts on the programme you would see that, and if you generally followed my input into the world of music and entertainment you’ll see that I have very modern and different views on the entire affair; very balanced and fair views.

      As for Linda Martin, she knows the score. Do I think she’s one of best people to speak on the Eurovision in recent years? No, but that’s my personal choice. Is she a judge this year? No. Therefore she shouldn’t make a difference to the decisions of the nation, and more importantly our independent judges. If their balance is hindered due to the thoughts and suggestions by outside sources, “in the biz” or not, we’ve got a much bigger problem.

      Again, thank you for your feedback.

    • http://www.davidokeeffe.com/ Dave

      Thanks for your comment Katharine- it’s nice to move the debate from comments on the Facebook Eurovision (Ireland) page. You’ve certainly shown your passion for the brothers, and kudos to that. If anyone holds a strong love for an act, it’s a good thing: it means you’re interested.

      I’ve been to shows of theirs: I know what their performances are like. I know the effort that goes into the show; I know the work that goes into it. And, in a general sense, I’m very much aware of the dedication required, the sheer drive and energy that is needed and what live performance requries- any hard working artist will know that, as will anyone who has worked with the like.

      I’m also aware of Edward’s injury- that was at the “T4 on the Beach” show in Brighton, I think, last year. He tore ligaments, if I’m correct- as he came down wrong during a routine. I’m sure that the pair do want to win, but so do the other acts- and as I mentioned in my article. Spamming is well and good, but it takes votes to win, and the backing of experts in the industry. I need not worry that the Grimes might not get sufficient “televotes” on The Late Late show- they’ve an army of fans, like yourself who’ll call in. No doubt the same will happen, in a smaller capacity, for those backing other candidates.

      Let’s quote yourself for a moment: “I think it’s probably safe to assume that the juries will be made up of people like yourself, mostly Jedward hostile before they’ve even sung anything.” – this is what you directed to me. I disagree with that- I’ve always said from the start that I wasn’t a *fan* of Jedward, but I did compliment them on their enthusiasm and their energy. Sure, as said, I’ve seen them before. And I’ve complimented them before. I’m hostile towards those who make irrational comments about them- not necessarily the duo. I am all for a debate and a pleasant chit-chat on the topic, as I am with any topic, however I do not respect fans or those who get personal or attack those making balance arguments, who make nonsensical comments about them or any other artist, for or against. That’s perfectly understandable.

      I will also disagree with you on the statement that I’ve “dated” views on the Eurovision, on the contrary. I’m very much for the CHANGE in the Eurovision, in the way we select acts and in the style in which are songs and performers are. I feel times have changed and we can’t keep clinging to the ways we used to be. Great, we’ve “won 7 times” but that was a long time ago. If you read my other thoughts on the programme you would see that, and if you generally followed my input into the world of music and entertainment you’ll see that I have very modern and different views on the entire affair; very balanced and fair views.

      As for Linda Martin, she knows the score. Do I think she’s one of best people to speak on the Eurovision in recent years? No, but that’s my personal choice. Is she a judge this year? No. Therefore she shouldn’t make a difference to the decisions of the nation, and more importantly our independent judges. If their balance is hindered due to the thoughts and suggestions by outside sources, “in the biz” or not, we’ve got a much bigger problem.

      Again, thank you for your feedback.

    • davidokeeffe

      Thanks for your comment Katharine- it's nice to move the debate from comments on the Facebook Eurovision (Ireland) page. You've certainly shown your passion for the brothers, and kudos to that. If anyone holds a strong love for an act, it's a good thing: it means you're interested.

      I've been to shows of theirs: I know what their performances are like. I know the effort that goes into the show; I know the work that goes into it. And, in a general sense, I'm very much aware of the dedication required, the sheer drive and energy that is needed and what live performance requries- any hard working artist will know that, as will anyone who has worked with the like.

      I'm also aware of Edward's injury- that was at the "T4 on the Beach" show in Brighton, I think, last year. He tore ligaments, if I'm correct- as he came down wrong during a routine. I'm sure that the pair do want to win, but so do the other acts- and as I mentioned in my article. Spamming is well and good, but it takes votes to win, and the backing of experts in the industry. I need not worry that the Grimes might not get sufficient "televotes" on The Late Late show- they've an army of fans, like yourself who'll call in. No doubt the same will happen, in a smaller capacity, for those backing other candidates.

      Let's quote yourself for a moment: "I think it's probably safe to assume that the juries will be made up of people like yourself, mostly Jedward hostile before they've even sung anything." – this is what you directed to me. I disagree with that- I've always said from the start that I wasn't a *fan* of Jedward, but I did compliment them on their enthusiasm and their energy. Sure, as said, I've seen them before. And I've complimented them before. I'm hostile towards those who make irrational comments about them- not necessarily the duo. I am all for a debate and a pleasant chit-chat on the topic, as I am with any topic, however I do not respect fans or those who get personal or attack those making balance arguments, who make nonsensical comments about them or any other artist, for or against. That's perfectly understandable.

      I will also disagree with you on the statement that I've "dated" views on the Eurovision, on the contrary. I'm very much for the CHANGE in the Eurovision, in the way we select acts and in the style in which are songs and performers are. I feel times have changed and we can't keep clinging to the ways we used to be. Great, we've "won 7 times" but that was a long time ago. If you read my other thoughts on the programme you would see that, and if you generally followed my input into the world of music and entertainment you'll see that I have very modern and different views on the entire affair; very balanced and fair views.

      As for Linda Martin, she knows the score. Do I think she's one of best people to speak on the Eurovision in recent years? No, but that's my personal choice. Is she a judge this year? No. Therefore she shouldn't make a difference to the decisions of the nation, and more importantly our independent judges. If their balance is hindered due to the thoughts and suggestions by outside sources, "in the biz" or not, we've got a much bigger problem.

      Again, thank you for your feedback.

  • http://twitter.com/ChrisTenerife Chris

    Have you heard Jedwards song though davidokeeffe ? How would it affect you opinion if after actually hearing their song, you thought it the best out of the five contenders ? Or perhaps better than those running for the semis ? Would they deserve their place in the final under those circumstances?

    • http://www.davidokeeffe.com/ Dave

      Hi Chris. Thanks for your reply- I can see you are on the Eurovision Ireland page. It would appear you also chose to pass my tweet onto another fan, also on the page.

      The song, "Lipstick"? The one recorded yesterday? The one signed, sealed and delivered and ready to go public? If I understand you're asking what if it was the best song out of the bunch- well, if that's the case (musically) it's the best song, but that's down to each person's taste. What if another contestant had the best song- they've got the best song, but down to each person's taste again. The fact of the matter is that every person has different opinions on the artists, on the songs that will be put ahead as a contender and overall what they like and dislike about the entire affair.

      But you're missing the point- I never denied anyone getting to the semi-finals or the finals. If they do, they do, and that's the way it is. I never argued against that. The article was about how the Eurovision was being conducted in Ireland, not the artists themselves- it just came to fact that your artist of choice became an integral part of it after comments made by a person I interviewed.

      • http://twitter.com/ChrisTenerife Chris

        Fair points, a question of personal taste of course, although i did however ask in my original comment, If YOU believed Jedward’s song the best out of the five contenders, how this would affect YOUR opinion, I mean by that, would you be happy for Jedward to represent Ireland and support them through the semis, if indeed you thought they deserved to do so purely on the merit of the song and performance. The person you interviewed seemed concerned at Jedward’s delivery of the song, well that remains to be seen, although, i know they are perfectly capable of nailing a performance, and given that this is a new original composition, then it cant be compared to anyone else’s performance of the song. If its a great song, taylor made to highlight their strengths and disguise their weaknesses, then there could be doubters eating their words.

      • http://www.davidokeeffe.com/ Dave

        Yes, it's a question of taste, and it's nice to have a civil debate and share our opinions on music and things! :)

        As I stated, this wasn't an article about any particular artist- it was on the Eurovision in which I invited a ESC pundit in to have his own independent, personal take on things: not my words. Besides, and most importantly, this was about the sourcing of artists and songs- not necessarily about those involved this year. No doubt articles directly talking about performers will come up over the coming weeks, and I'm sure you'll pop by to give your feedback on that.

        That said, I can't, and won't, make my mind up on who is best for the Eurovision representing Ireland yet as I've not heard any of the songs- they're not out yet. And, in this case, your artist of choice's track is not out either- so I clearly can't make my mind up on that. This is a song contest, and I base my thoughts on the songs and performance value, etc. It would be incorrect to make judgements before they happen, and I'm not going to do so.

        If you believe that "there could be doubters eating their words" you'll need to take that up with those people who've openly spoken their views, if things work out well for the brothers.

        Again, thanks for your feedback Chris, and I appreciate the fact that you've delivered your opinions in a mature and rational fashion. :)

  • http://twitter.com/ChrisTenerife Chris

    Fair points, a question of personal taste of course, although i did however ask in my original comment, If YOU believed Jedward’s song the best out of the five contenders, how this would affect YOUR opinion, I mean by that, would you be happy for Jedward to represent Ireland and support them through the semis, if indeed you thought they deserved to do so purely on the merit of the song and performance. The person you interviewed seemed concerned at Jedward’s delivery of the song, well that remains to be seen, although, i know they are perfectly capable of nailing a performance, and given that this is a new original composition, then it cant be compared to anyone else’s performance of the song. If its a great song, taylor made to highlight their strengths and disguise their weaknesses, then there could be doubters eating their words.

  • Una

    Dave No Offence but you sound right up your self mate, Jedward are Grand

    • http://www.davidokeeffe.com/ Dave

      Oh Una, that’s a pity that you’ve adopted your tone in such a way. We were having a mature and well based discussion, not resorting to personal attacks: you seem to have disregarded that.

      I genuinely do enjoy having a chit-chat and talking about things with people on all sides of a conversation and debate, but I don’t really like when people get personal or smarmy in their approach. Nobody else who contributed spoke in such a way- I don’t know why you thought it was necessary. Your comment, albeit personal and unexplained, was merely a shout and didn’t contribute to the conversation in any way, which is a pity.

      As a fan of the duo, and after having a level-headed conversation with those in the similar position to you, you’ve really let the side down. If we’re going to resort to this sort of attitude there’s no point in opening comments on articles. Therefore, consider them now closed.

      Congratulations.

      I never said they weren’t grand, if you read that, so your statement isn’t even relevant.

    • davidokeeffe

      Oh Una, that's a pity that you've adopted your tone in such a way. We were having a mature and well based discussion, not resorting to personal attacks: you seem to have disregarded that.

      I genuinely do enjoy having a chit-chat and talking about things with people on all sides of a conversation and debate, but I don't really like when people get personal or smarmy in their approach. Nobody else who contributed spoke in such a way- I don't know why you thought it was necessary. Your comment, albeit personal and unexplained, was merely a shout and didn't contribute to the conversation in any way, which is a pity.

      As a fan of the duo, and after having a level-headed conversation with those in the similar position to you, you've really let the side down. If we're going to resort to this sort of attitude there's no point in opening comments on articles. Therefore, consider them now closed.

      Congratulations.

      I never said they weren't grand, if you read that, so your statement isn't even relevant.